Vote SNP 1 and 2 – Vote SNP 1, 2nd list vote for ONE independence party. Solutions, anyone?

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This argument will not end. We will end up knocking each other out, No one wins. What is the best solution apart from kicking each other in the teeth? We need a solution and agreement. And fast.

Winning Independence

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Something to argue about.

A crucial ingredient of political success is being in touch with the public mood. Easier said than done. Political parties like Labour fell off a cliff when they called it wrong, badly wrong, in 2013, and found themselves on the wrong side of the argument siding with the Tories in the 2014 Referendum. Since then they have doubled down on that error and are entirely marginalized in Scotland as a result. So marginalized, that Labour in England, have written them off and many want them removed from the central funding pool in future General Elections. Labour in Scotland have always performed as lapdogs of the Party down south as long as they could continue to slurp from the big bowl. That is now at risk.

We never must become like Labour and make the same mistakes. The failure of Labour’s…

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In the UK, statues matter more than people

weegingerdug's avatarWee Ginger Dug

Our part time Prime Minister Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson has responded quickly, decisively, and with aclarity to a threat. Huzzah! Hurrah! It’s just a pity that the threat he’s responded to is not a threat to your actual human lives. It’s a threat to some statues. Johnson is far more concerned about a threat to some inanimate objects than he was worried about averting the huge and ever increasing death toll from Covid-19. Although since his cabinet is populated with statues lacking in anything approaching human feelings, or indeed in most cases sentience, that’s possibly not surprising.

Incidentally, and while we’re talking about statues. Scotland is fair littered with the statues of slavers, imperialists, and colonialists. But nowhere in Scotland will you find a statue to one of this country’s greatest sons, the socialist, trade unionist, and anti-imperialist James Connelly who was born and raised in Edinburgh. The Tories…

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Dugcast fae the dughoose – with Prof John Robertson

weegingerdug's avatarWee Ginger Dug

Welcome to this week’s edition of the dugcast. This week I’m joined online by Professor John Robertson of the TalkingUpScotland blog. John is perhaps best known for his critique of BBC bias during the independence referendum campaign, a critique which it’s fair to say that the BBC did not take at all well.

John and I appeared together in the 2015 documentary London Calling about BBC bias during the independence referendum campaign. It’s why you’ll never see either of us on the telly! In this week’s podcast we chat about the media in Scotland, the British government’s handling of the coronavirus epidemic, and statues and buildings which commemorate oppressors and colonialists. There were a few issues with the sound quality at John’s end, I hope it doesn’t spoil your listening too much.

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This Is Not Good Enough

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By Jason Michael

MANY ON THIS SIDE OF THE ATLANTIC, no doubt, will say this is none of their business; that what is right now happening on the streets of cities right across the United States is not their concern, that they have enough to worry about in their own country – especially in the middle of lockdown, in the midst of a global pandemic. Sure, part of me understands this. Some of those I have spoken with about the latest wave of Black Lives Matter protests have aired the exact same thoughts I have had myself, that this is dominating social media and the news over here only because America hogs the limelight, that we are sick and tired of the US embarrassing itself on the global stage, and that, well, didn’t they vote for Donald Trump? What did they expect?

But this just is not good…

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Will the flockers just flock off?

Peter A Bell's avatarPeter A Bell

Everyone who makes the journey from No to Yes is, of course, very welcome. But it is relevant to consider their reason(s) for doing so and what prompted them to start that journey. This is important for at least two reasons. Obviously, understanding what it is that makes people begin to question their attitude to independence and to Scotland will be helpful in devising a campaign aimed at encouraging more former No voters to make the journey to Yes. But it is important, too, that we understand the nature of that change. It is crucial that a cause be mindful of the character and quality of its support and not just the numbers.

Let me make it clear that, unless so stated, none of what follows relates specifically to Rhona Duffy who writes in today’s National of her own personal journey from No to Yes. I am thinking in very…

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The hypocrisy of British nationalists in Scotland

Hypocrisy on Stilts

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If you were writing the script for a movie about a global pandemic, you’d not look to the British Government as a model for your plot. This is because no one would seriously believe that a government could be so incompetent, chaotic, and confused. This is a serious movie about a serious health issue, your script editor would tell you, not an end of the pier farce.

From the very beginning, those in charge in the British Government have acted irresponsibly. The Prime Minister was absent much of the time, aides were told to keep briefing papers short because he lacked the interest to read anything longer than a sheet of paper. We learned on Channel 4’s Dispatches programme last night that despite his assertions to the contrary, Johnson told his Italian counterpart that the UK was planning to pursue a policy of herd immunity. That policy has had disastrous…

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Independence! Nothing less! And nothing else!

Peter A Bell's avatarPeter A Bell

There’s a treat in The National today. Articles from one of Scotland’s smartest politicians and one of our most respected political commentators. As one would expect of Joanna Cherry and Lesley Riddoch, both articles are thoughtful and thought-provoking. Both address the constitutional issue. Which also is unsurprising. Both represent a call to action for the Yes movement – each in its different way and in the style of the author. Each poses pertinent questions and raises relevant points and seeks appropriate solutions. Each purports to be adopting a radical approach to reframing the constitutional question, reforming the Yes movement and reshaping the independence campaign.

Both, in my view, fall significantly short of what is required. Neither qualifies as what I would consider radical. Or radical enough. Both set course for that point where thinking that is merely fresh or bold tips over into thinking that is truly radical. Both approach…

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“Fundamentalists” and “Gradualists”

Iain Lawson

I have been involved in Scottish politics since 1975.

For a bit of fun and to perhaps give younger folk more insight into what went before I plan to post regularly my take on important moments that led to both positive and also negative results.

Firstly can I explain about the debate between “fundamentalists” and “gradualists” that was a key feature within the SNP In the 70’s and 80’s and was not finally ended until 2007 when the SNP eventually took control of the Scottish Government and Alex Salmond declared “we are all gradualists now”.

Let me also state that I have no doubt both sides wanted Independence. Neither side had a monopoly on the desire for Independence. The difference was about how to get there. The Fundies wanted to see the total effort being concentrated on outright Independence, the gradualists wanted a gentler path, with less emphasis and a softer line on Independence.

The two arguments could be summed up as one side believing you would never get anywhere unless you put your main aim and selling point at the point of the arrow and argued a conversion strategy to win support. The other side argued it was too big a step to move from the status quo to Independence in one leap and that devolution was a vehicle that should be supported.

Looking back now I think both sides were right. There is no doubt the excellent performance of successive SNP Governments has helped build confidence in Scotland being able to field a competent Government and perform better in Scotland’s interests than Westminster. That has never been more evident than during this COVID 19 crisis. Nevertheless the two big advances in those long years came about when it was the “fundy argument” that dominated strategy. Today I will deal with the first of these two big decisions.

In the late eighties the first steps were being taken to set up the Scottish Constitutional Convention (SCC) which was campaigning for a Scottish Parliament. Labour, with 50 MP’s dominated Scottish politics and had developed well honed tactics that always ensured they had people on both sides of any argument, thereby controlling the issue and always ensuring Labour never suffered any damage from the process.

A great example was Scotland United, a grassroots organisation that was created as a response to yet another General Election that returned another Tory Government as a result of English Tory votes. It’s leadership consisted of some SNP gradualists, some non party people, the usual coterie of Labour luvvie minor celebrities and George Galloway. His job was to capture the anger and challenge and then slowly dissipate it up dead ends. It was a job he was born for. Likewise I was leading the SNP Steel Campaign and I was witnessing the enormous efforts Labour were making to take control of the campaign away from the Ravenscraig shop stewards in order to run it down and kill it off as it was increasingly highlighting how useless, even with 50 MP’s, Labour were for standing up for Scotland. The tactics again to create an “all party” campaign, thereby limiting any other action than that determined by Labour. This time it never happened, the SNP stayed out and dealt directly with the shop stewards committee. Gradually it was Labour that was excluded.

So it was against this background that the SNP had to decide whether to join the SCC or not. It was a fierce argument on the National Executive as both sides made their arguments for joining the SCC or staying outside and campaigning for full Independence. The debate came at the right time for the Fundamentalists who joined with the “left wing” and won the vote to stay outside.

I believe it was a vital decision, an absolutely key moment and I believe it was that decision that was responsible for the creation of the Scottish Parliament a decade later.

At a stroke we cut off any opportunity to suck us in then greatly limit our campaigning ability on Independence. The SCC, dominated by Labour and the Liberals had already ruled out Independence being on the ballot paper in any referendum. This also ensured that the SCC itself could not come up with any parish council Parliament as with the SNP on the outside, all too ready to highlight any deficiencies in the SCC proposals, they had to be sufficiently powerful to stand up to scrutiny from an SNP that was now advancing with growing public support.

I am sure this is what convinced Dewar to come up with the model that everything that was not reserved, was devolved. It also convinced Blair that there was no alternative than adopting the SCC proposals or face electoral disaster and lose huge numbers of Labour MP’s.

All the way along, the SNP kept the pressure on the SCC and Labour until the referendum was called and the SNP JOINED the YES CAMPAIGN and played the key role in getting the proposal over the line. It was the SNP that provided the most effective leader in Alex Salmond and it was SNP ACTIVISTS (both fundies and gradualists) that campaigned so effectively to win the day for Scotland.

So it was a SNP hardline decision, an aggressive decision, that ensured a meaningful devolved Government would emerge. I would argue demonstrating that the most effective tool in the box, even if you are only wanting meaningful devolution, is campaigning for outright Independence.

It would be another fifteen years after the Scottish Parliament before the next opportunity came and I will deal with that in another article

Empires come and go. Very few go out in a blaze of glory…

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Empires come and go. Very few go out in a blaze of glory. Sometimes revolution gets rid of them. A few have been wiped out after being on the losing side in a war. Some have just dwindled away.

The British Empire seems to have carved out a place for itself as the empire that is dead but just will not lie down. 70-odd years after it began to fall apart, there are still people living in England (and I suspect it’s only in England) who think they are still living in the Empire, whereas in reality the Empire is hanging on desperately to its last remnants: like the Falklands, Gibraltar and a few specks in distant oceans.

A few folk appear to think the heyday of the British Empire is still with them. I’m thinking of the man who said on TV Britain had managed before the EU and…

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